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How Is It Legal To Not Accept Cash?
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Beaver Fever
2023-05-13 17:29:21 UTC
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Many places won't accept cash.

I thought that was illegal.

What the fucking fuck man.
Michael Trew
2023-05-14 00:48:05 UTC
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Post by Beaver Fever
Many places won't accept cash.
I thought that was illegal.
If you are a business, it is illegal to not accept US legal tender
(cash) as payment for a service. That being said, it's not illegal to
refuse service unless you pay up front with another payment method.

In other words: They can deny you service in advance, but if the
service is already complete, they *cannot* deny cash as payment. Note:
You might need to have exact change.

Every business around me accepts cash. The only ones I can think of are
a few amusement parks (such as Cedar Point) where they now have kiosks
to insert bills and load a pre-paid Visa-type card to use with vendors
around the park.
danny burstein
2023-05-14 01:03:19 UTC
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Post by Michael Trew
Post by Beaver Fever
Many places won't accept cash.
I thought that was illegal.
If you are a business, it is illegal to not accept US legal tender
(cash) as payment for a service. That being said, it's not illegal to
refuse service unless you pay up front with another payment method.
Wrong, wrong, wrongity wrong. If you had made
this post to AFU we'd be drawing, quartering, and
keel hauling you.

[official federal reserve post]

Is it legal for a business in the United States to refuse cash as a form of payment?

There is no federal statute mandating that a private business, a person, or an organization must accept currency or coins as payment for goods or services. Private businesses are free to develop their own policies on whether to accept cash unless there is a state law that says otherwise.
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https://www.federalreserve.gov/faqs/currency_12772.htm

Note that some areas, such as NYC, have local laws
mandating acceptance of cash. Also note that
some of these places, such as well, NYC, often
refuse to accept cash for their own bills.
Post by Michael Trew
In other words: They can deny you service in advance, but if the
You might need to have exact change.
Every business around me accepts cash. The only ones I can think of are
a few amusement parks (such as Cedar Point) where they now have kiosks
to insert bills and load a pre-paid Visa-type card to use with vendors
around the park.
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Michael Trew
2023-05-14 14:48:17 UTC
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Post by Michael Trew
Post by Beaver Fever
Many places won't accept cash.
I thought that was illegal.
If you are a business, it is illegal to not accept US legal tender
(cash) as payment for a service. That being said, it's not illegal
to refuse service unless you pay up front with another payment
method.
Wrong, wrong, wrongity wrong. If you had made this post to AFU we'd
be drawing, quartering, and keel hauling you.
[official federal reserve post]
Is it legal for a business in the United States to refuse cash as a form of payment?
There is no federal statute mandating that a private business, a
person, or an organization must accept currency or coins as payment
for goods or services. Private businesses are free to develop their
own policies on whether to accept cash unless there is a state law
that says otherwise. ====
https://www.federalreserve.gov/faqs/currency_12772.htm
Did you read my post? Here, I'll make a quote from your link:

"Section 31 U.S.C. 5103, entitled "Legal tender," states: "United States
coins and currency [including Federal Reserve notes and circulating
notes of Federal Reserve Banks and national banks] are legal tender for
all debts, public charges, taxes, and dues." This statute means that all
U.S. money as identified above is a valid and legal offer of payment for
debts when tendered to a creditor."

Let me now bring forth an example. I take my car to the mechanic, and
the mechanic does work to my car. I sign the paper, and I now owe the
mechanic a debt. The mechanic cannot refuse my payment of cash and keep
my car... or are you suggesting that he is able to do so? If the
mechanic made me pay up front, he could have told me to pay via other
means *before* he worked on the car, and that's just fine.
Les Albert
2023-05-14 18:15:04 UTC
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On Sat, 13 May 2023 10:29:21 -0700 (PDT), Beaver Fever
Post by Beaver Fever
Many places won't accept cash.
I thought that was illegal.
What the fucking fuck man.
"No shoes, no shirt, no service" ... even if you have cash.

Les
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2023-05-14 21:15:46 UTC
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Post by Beaver Fever
Many places won't accept cash.
I thought that was illegal.
What the fucking fuck man.
If you are in a coffee house and they play "The Pretender" by Jackson Browne (with the line "struggle for the legal tender" and the coffee house doesn't take cash, then you should find another coffee house.
hymie!
2023-05-15 00:51:37 UTC
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In our last episode, the evil Dr. Lacto had captured our hero,
Many places won't accept cash. I thought that was illegal.
A purchase at a store is a transaction, where two people agree to
exchange items of like value for each other. I am not obligated to
accept $100 bills, pennies, cash, or cows. It's a mutually beneficial
transaction that either entity can decline to participate

Cash is legal tender for **debts** . A transaction is not a debt.
You could possibly argue that a restaurant is a debt, because you
get the food before you owe the money, but I suspect that a lawyer
could argue that the terms were specified up front, thus reverting to
"a transaction."

--hymie! http://nasalinux.net/~hymie ***@nasalinux.net
Michael Trew
2023-05-15 13:49:31 UTC
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Post by hymie!
In our last episode, the evil Dr. Lacto had captured our hero,
Many places won't accept cash. I thought that was illegal.
A purchase at a store is a transaction, where two people agree to
exchange items of like value for each other. I am not obligated to
accept $100 bills, pennies, cash, or cows. It's a mutually beneficial
transaction that either entity can decline to participate
Cash is legal tender for **debts** . A transaction is not a debt.
You could possibly argue that a restaurant is a debt, because you
get the food before you owe the money, but I suspect that a lawyer
could argue that the terms were specified up front, thus reverting to
"a transaction."
Thank you, that's what I tried to explain to Danny.
Beaver Fever
2023-05-15 23:56:20 UTC
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Post by hymie!
In our last episode, the evil Dr. Lacto had captured our hero,
Many places won't accept cash. I thought that was illegal.
A purchase at a store is a transaction, where two people agree to
exchange items of like value for each other. I am not obligated to
accept $100 bills, pennies, cash, or cows. It's a mutually beneficial
transaction that either entity can decline to participate
Cash is legal tender for **debts** . A transaction is not a debt.
You could possibly argue that a restaurant is a debt, because you
get the food before you owe the money, but I suspect that a lawyer
could argue that the terms were specified up front, thus reverting to
"a transaction."
This was all triggered by being at the Hollywood Palladium, a cashless venue, last week.

I never spend money inside venues anymore but the tickets were free and I wanted water and red bull.

I still got her to take my cash within which was a significant tip. I also got a stack of basically free money when I met my friend in the Denny's parking lot to give him some unwanted items and he was so grateful insisted I take a stack of cash for some junk I was just going to throw away.

So, once the drink has been poured and placed in front of the customer, that is now a debt. Interesting. Though I made a bit of a spectacle of myself with a bit of public performance art I don't really spend money at shows or else I might push that angle.
hymie!
2023-05-17 12:25:01 UTC
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In our last episode, the evil Dr. Lacto had captured our hero,
Post by Beaver Fever
Post by hymie!
You could possibly argue that a restaurant is a debt, because you
get the food before you owe the money, but I suspect that a lawyer
could argue that the terms were specified up front, thus reverting to
"a transaction."
So, once the drink has been poured and placed in front of the customer,
that is now a debt. Interesting. Though I made a bit of a spectacle of
myself with a bit of public performance art I don't really spend money
at shows or else I might push that angle.
That is not at all what I said.

--hymie!
Woensi Shoes
2023-09-04 11:49:35 UTC
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在 2023年5月17日星期三 UTC+5 17:26:08,<hymie!> 写道:
Post by hymie!
In our last episode, the evil Dr. Lacto had captured our hero,
Post by Beaver Fever
Post by hymie!
You could possibly argue that a restaurant is a debt, because you
get the food before you owe the money, but I suspect that a lawyer
could argue that the terms were specified up front, thus reverting to
"a transaction."
So, once the drink has been poured and placed in front of the customer,
that is now a debt. Interesting. Though I made a bit of a spectacle of
myself with a bit of public performance art I don't really spend money
at shows or else I might push that angle.
That is not at all what I said.
--hymie!
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